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if you go back and look at the primary debates, mitt romney was largely the same way. he's a vicious debater. he gets in there and his goal is to shred everyone who is on that stage. i think the only change from the primaries is that he took on the newt gingrich role of including the moderator in the beating he was trying to give. >> newt's advice. >> he took newt's advice. i don't think though that his alpha male sort of act necessarily worked on barack obama. i think barack obama is being criticized for not looking at romney when he was talking, for looking down, looking away, but i do think that barack obama's affect similarly was designed to appeal to a constituency. we were talking about this on the break. his affect probably was more appealing to a female voter. it's a subtle thing but i think it's important. >> another thing that was mentioned by mitt romney was education. but his true feelings weren't really that clear. they tended to come out during the campaign. watch this. >> and the key to great schools, great teachers. so i reject the idea that i don't bel
if you go back and look at the primary debates, mitt romney was largely the same way. he's a vicious debater. he gets in there and his goal is to shred everyone who is on that stage. i think the only change from the primaries is that he took on the newt gingrich role of including the moderator in the beating he was trying to give. >> newt's advice. >> he took newt's advice. i don't think though that his alpha male sort of act necessarily worked on barack obama. i think barack obama...
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john, this is not officially a disaster of debate prep for mitt romney. you know, as you know, debate handlers have come up with zingers before to candidates, but they do not leak to the media ahead of time that they have a big bag of zingers ready to go. they actually try to let the candidate take some credit for being clever and quick on his feet. this is now a hopeless situation for romney. >> i've become increasingly convinced when they're talking about zingers they're talking about the hostess snack cakes. there's been so much telegraphing of punches of the romney campaign not only with the zinger comments but also last week when they started telegraphing the notion they were going to take on the president on his vars veracity, they were going to challenge his onsti. they're tal graphed so gratuitously, it makes me think that some of these things must be decoys and that mitt romney is not going to try to throw zingers on him or he's going to do what he does need to do which is to look presidential. there's still a huge number of people in the country
john, this is not officially a disaster of debate prep for mitt romney. you know, as you know, debate handlers have come up with zingers before to candidates, but they do not leak to the media ahead of time that they have a big bag of zingers ready to go. they actually try to let the candidate take some credit for being clever and quick on his feet. this is now a hopeless situation for romney. >> i've become increasingly convinced when they're talking about zingers they're talking about...
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that is a thousand more than mitt romney during the course of that debate. psych physiologists say that since 1980, the candidate who blinked the least during the debates went on to win the popular vote. there are exceptions, though. in 2004, president george w. bush not only blinked more in the debate against senator john kerry, he also won re-election, so there you go. >>> up next, getting in the way of democracy. the latest news that could affect who might get stopped on their way to the voting booth during election day. this is msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy you're not just looking for a by house. eyes you're looking for a place for your life to happen. i'm done! [ chuckl
that is a thousand more than mitt romney during the course of that debate. psych physiologists say that since 1980, the candidate who blinked the least during the debates went on to win the popular vote. there are exceptions, though. in 2004, president george w. bush not only blinked more in the debate against senator john kerry, he also won re-election, so there you go. >>> up next, getting in the way of democracy. the latest news that could affect who might get stopped on their way...
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romney trailed in this survey by 9 points before the debate. so that's a big shift toward mitt romney and away from barack obama in that poll. like wise in the new gallup poll, mr. romney polled even with the president after the debate erasing a 5-point advantage for the president. we have new polls from the swing states and near swing states. polls that include reaction to the first debate. in wisconsin today the president leads by just two points. that's according to a relatively left-leaning poll. that particular poll previously showed the president having a 7-point lead before the debate. in colorado, in one right-leaning poll romney is now up by 3 points. the same showed him losing by 5 before the debate. now he's up by 3. in virginia, the president is ahead by 3 in virginia. that same poll had the president's lead at 5 points before the debate. that shows the president's lead shrinking. in michigan, it's now barack obama by just 3 points. the president had led by 10 last month. now it's down to 3. in ohio today, a poll on the right gives
romney trailed in this survey by 9 points before the debate. so that's a big shift toward mitt romney and away from barack obama in that poll. like wise in the new gallup poll, mr. romney polled even with the president after the debate erasing a 5-point advantage for the president. we have new polls from the swing states and near swing states. polls that include reaction to the first debate. in wisconsin today the president leads by just two points. that's according to a relatively left-leaning...
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romney won the debate. last night romney was more skilled. it doesn't change the policies. >> ezra, will the strategy work in the next two debates that heavy here? will this vague strategy work with foreign policy and the next debate beyond that? >> i think that the obama team is going to be more ready for what romney's able to bring to the debate than they were in this one. they'll be prepared for romney to walk in and tell his credentials. romney will change up his strategy. in general first debates are lopsided. the incumbent tends to recover a little bit in the second debate. whether we'll follow that trend line is anybody's guess. >> thank you, ezra. appreciate it. now to the third person on stage at the debates last night, you. yes, you didn't have a vocal response, but let me tell you, every moment people like you were chiming in. twitter reports today that it was the most tweeted event in u.s. politics generating over 10 million tweets in 90 minutes. perspective, that means just six years, but now some critics say that the twitter exp
romney won the debate. last night romney was more skilled. it doesn't change the policies. >> ezra, will the strategy work in the next two debates that heavy here? will this vague strategy work with foreign policy and the next debate beyond that? >> i think that the obama team is going to be more ready for what romney's able to bring to the debate than they were in this one. they'll be prepared for romney to walk in and tell his credentials. romney will change up his strategy. in...
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mitt romney's had a lot of debates. he went through a long primary practice where he got beat up a lot and got to beat up other people. barack obama had no primary process and has not been in a debate since his debates in the last election. so i think he's got -- he's not in fighting shape is my guess and all these practices he's doing, are to get him in the fighting shape. hopefully they have enough time to do it and hopefully he has a sparring opponent in john kerry who is not pulling any punches, not being as respectful to him as his staff might be and showing him that mitt romney is going to get on the stage knowing this is probably his last chance and he's going to be very aggressive in taking on obama. >> steve, thank you very much for your time. >> good to be here. >> steve, what do you think about this idea that debates don't usually change the race entirely all by themselves, but they confirm the narrative that has already been going on in the country? >> well, they can confirm the narrative but we keep coming
mitt romney's had a lot of debates. he went through a long primary practice where he got beat up a lot and got to beat up other people. barack obama had no primary process and has not been in a debate since his debates in the last election. so i think he's got -- he's not in fighting shape is my guess and all these practices he's doing, are to get him in the fighting shape. hopefully they have enough time to do it and hopefully he has a sparring opponent in john kerry who is not pulling any...
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i think that we forget that romney is a great debater. we saw in the primaries that he was really everyone's favorite in the debates. so i think we can expect that he will do a good job. frankly, i would argue that he's more comfortable on the debate stage than he is ordering a milk shake at mcdonald's. so i do think he's in his element on the debate stage. he will have memorized lines. the only way he's really going to, like i said, hit it out of the ballpark is to show us a side of him that he's never seen before and really surprise us. >> abby, let me ask you one question. the last time we had an i incumbent candidate that was challenged, ignoring bob dole's attempt to bring it on kind of. listen to this in their debate. >> mr. president, what do you say to senator dole's point that this election is about keeping one's word? >> when i ran for president, i said we could cut the deficit in half and we cut it by 60%. i said our economic plan would produce 8 minullion jobs and we created 10 million jobs. >> i can only tell thaw i don't thi
i think that we forget that romney is a great debater. we saw in the primaries that he was really everyone's favorite in the debates. so i think we can expect that he will do a good job. frankly, i would argue that he's more comfortable on the debate stage than he is ordering a milk shake at mcdonald's. so i do think he's in his element on the debate stage. he will have memorized lines. the only way he's really going to, like i said, hit it out of the ballpark is to show us a side of him that...
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romney's debate partner calls the president a tough debater. >> barack obama is going to be formidable, and i think it will be a good debate, but i certainly would not underestimate what barack obama brings to it. >> reporter: john kerry's playing romney with the president. in a weekend memo, republicans urged kerry to press the president on libya and syria. romney calls obama's foreign policy dangerous. romney's debate plan, clearly and concisely explain how he can fix the economy. >> i expect to be able to describe that in a way people will understand, and if they do, i get elected. >> reporter: his running mate, paul ryan, is already preparing for his own debate a week away. >> i really believe in the policies that we're providing, we're pursuing. and at the end of the day, i'm just going to go in there and be me. >> reporter: and if you can't control what actually happens in the debate, you certainly control what happens afterwards. the spin already in the planning. ryan's going to be with romney in virginia. the president is staying in colorado for a rally there. veronica? >> trac
romney's debate partner calls the president a tough debater. >> barack obama is going to be formidable, and i think it will be a good debate, but i certainly would not underestimate what barack obama brings to it. >> reporter: john kerry's playing romney with the president. in a weekend memo, republicans urged kerry to press the president on libya and syria. romney calls obama's foreign policy dangerous. romney's debate plan, clearly and concisely explain how he can fix the economy....
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maybe that takes the romney debate bump away or not. but he is spending several days in florida not by accident. he has to win here. >> especially since they're not doing as well as they hoped to do in ohio. there's the other debate, and i'm not talking about the vice presidential match-up next week. i am talking about jon stewart versus bill o'reilly saturday night for charity here in d.c. >> people said they're looking forward to the vice presidential debate. if you're looking for a debate with the most fireworks between now and the election, bill o'reilly and jon stewart. i've been watching the jon stewart clips from "the daily show" with stephen colbert warming up in training jon stewart for this debate. you know, in truth my guess is it will be less jokey and more serious than many of us are expecting. jon stewart is often in these settings a serious policy-minded thinker. i think o'reilly will take that approach. like we talked about before the presidential debate, it may be less fireworks than we think but a serious policy discus
maybe that takes the romney debate bump away or not. but he is spending several days in florida not by accident. he has to win here. >> especially since they're not doing as well as they hoped to do in ohio. there's the other debate, and i'm not talking about the vice presidential match-up next week. i am talking about jon stewart versus bill o'reilly saturday night for charity here in d.c. >> people said they're looking forward to the vice presidential debate. if you're looking for...
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mitt romney's team knew that and mitt romney came into this debate determined to make it a debate. no one brought up green jobs. the moderator didn't bring up green jobs. mitt romney did to use it as a tool against the president. the president has to realize that his side and he is under the same obligation to drive the debate from his side himself. the moderator is not going to drive this debate. >> that's exactly right. that's sort of the point that i was trying to make about how the different approaches of romney and obama played very differently with this sort of a format and that romney just rolled over the format and made it about everything he wanted it to be. everything on domestic policy on which he is the weakest was just avoided because he drove the agenda of the debate. lehrer got rolled over by romney again and again. and it was the president's fault that he did not do the same thing. >> one more quick point. mitt romney is very, very hard to anticipate. we've been asking for months, how is mitt romney going to explain the deduction side of his $5 trillion tax cut. he'
mitt romney's team knew that and mitt romney came into this debate determined to make it a debate. no one brought up green jobs. the moderator didn't bring up green jobs. mitt romney did to use it as a tool against the president. the president has to realize that his side and he is under the same obligation to drive the debate from his side himself. the moderator is not going to drive this debate. >> that's exactly right. that's sort of the point that i was trying to make about how the...
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for mitt romney a very different mitt romney. that's what we saw in this debate. mitt romney most of the time his hands are down at his sides. he used gestured to get his point across and the use of emblems to bring home a he message. check please. if he had three points, he'd say one, two, three and lay it out for us. very active and aggressive and pushing his agenda forward. the president on the other hand when we saw that foot up, we call that a sprinter's pose. he's ready to go and move toward forward. it's off balance and out of sorts. we saw that from the president through his debate. >> chris, the looking down for obama. i mean, it's well established at this point that they used the split screen shot for presidential debates. you're always on the camera, and he has romney tearing into him cart clai articulately, and obama looks like a defeated man. >> we're talking about body language. itself it means nothing but the perception means nothing. in that position where his head is down, he's writing down notes. he did it a lot, looking down occasionally or to j
for mitt romney a very different mitt romney. that's what we saw in this debate. mitt romney most of the time his hands are down at his sides. he used gestured to get his point across and the use of emblems to bring home a he message. check please. if he had three points, he'd say one, two, three and lay it out for us. very active and aggressive and pushing his agenda forward. the president on the other hand when we saw that foot up, we call that a sprinter's pose. he's ready to go and move...
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an a different mitt romney since that debate performance. showing the compassionate side and showing that touing video of him, at campaign stops and didn't air in prime time with the empty chair and telling more stories like this. >> there's billy holt. he came to my event. touched my heart to see him there. pushed the wheelchair forward and he came up and i put my arm on his shoulder and whispered in his ear. i said, billy, i love you and god bless you. i got a call that he died the next day. >> perry, this is something that the campaign always said that mitt romney was not comfortable talking about. these kinds of very personal things but is it effective? >> i thought in the debate it was very effective when he personalized things and talked about families he met and people he met an dong it on the road now, too. i think that's smart. voters throughout the campaign -- polls have shown voters find obama more likable person and in the next two debates romney's going to maintain that and increase the likability. they're voting for someone to
an a different mitt romney since that debate performance. showing the compassionate side and showing that touing video of him, at campaign stops and didn't air in prime time with the empty chair and telling more stories like this. >> there's billy holt. he came to my event. touched my heart to see him there. pushed the wheelchair forward and he came up and i put my arm on his shoulder and whispered in his ear. i said, billy, i love you and god bless you. i got a call that he died the next...
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when mitt romney beat president obama in last night's televised debate. so the first televised presidential debate that we had was in 1960. here are all of the other years that we have since have televised presidential debates. every four years now we have these debates on tv. the only years, though, so these are all the years, right, right? the only years, though, in which you had an incumbent president running against a challenger in all of the years we've had presidential debates on tv are these years. so in terms of understanding the historical context of what happened last night when mitt romney beat president obama in this first debate, this is the universe of like things to compare it to. this is how to understand it in terms of american political history. it's only these years right here. that's it. now, by definition, you never have an incumbent president in this situation more than once. presidents can only serve two terms so there's only one opportunity when they carry into that debate, when they're running for re-election, they carry into that
when mitt romney beat president obama in last night's televised debate. so the first televised presidential debate that we had was in 1960. here are all of the other years that we have since have televised presidential debates. every four years now we have these debates on tv. the only years, though, so these are all the years, right, right? the only years, though, in which you had an incumbent president running against a challenger in all of the years we've had presidential debates on tv are...
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there's problems with the way romney went through that debate. looked good but didn't exactly convey a lot of truth. your thoughts? >> that's exactly what democrats are saying. paul ryan was out today and says that he expects for the next month he's going to hear from the obama campaign that they are liars and you hear liberals picking up on that. again, to go to this point about "saturday night live," i think it underscores what people already saw from that debate, which is that president obama turned in a very poor performance. i thought that he would have been smart to go on to "saturday night live" and sort of lampoon himself. we saw him do that out west. i guess the "saturday night live" folks reached out to him and they both declined. i think it has been a right of passage in elections, going back to 2008 when mccain was on, obama was on, hillary clinton was on and sarah palin, too. it is part of our political discourse. it reinforces the narratives. i think "snl" has had problems portraying obama. they switched to a new guy. jay ferrel see
there's problems with the way romney went through that debate. looked good but didn't exactly convey a lot of truth. your thoughts? >> that's exactly what democrats are saying. paul ryan was out today and says that he expects for the next month he's going to hear from the obama campaign that they are liars and you hear liberals picking up on that. again, to go to this point about "saturday night live," i think it underscores what people already saw from that debate, which is...
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among those who watched, a whooping 72% thought romney won that debate. compare that to 20% for president obama. 52 point margin is the largest in the poll's history. only bill clinton's 1992 town hall debate with george h.w. bush with ross perot came close. is romney's debate performance helping him win over voters on election day? in the three days before the debate, president obama led mitt romney by five points. in the three days after the debate, obama and romney were typed according to gallup. the seven-day tracking poll that includes three debate days and four post-debate days has the race at 50-45 obama. to help us sort it out let's welcome back nate. today he wrote about romney's bounce and how long it might last. nate, thank god we have you here. my head is spinning trying to sort through it. let me lay it out for everybody and you can interpret it. gat will you please released yesterday three days of polls after the debate and said we have a tied race. gallup has a seven-day average that shows bahaobama gaining a t and losing a point. we have t
among those who watched, a whooping 72% thought romney won that debate. compare that to 20% for president obama. 52 point margin is the largest in the poll's history. only bill clinton's 1992 town hall debate with george h.w. bush with ross perot came close. is romney's debate performance helping him win over voters on election day? in the three days before the debate, president obama led mitt romney by five points. in the three days after the debate, obama and romney were typed according to...
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governor romney, what both are saying about their debate performance. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy, the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> last night i thought was a great opportunity for the american people to see two very din visions for the country. and i think it was helpful to be able to describe those visions. i saw the president's vision as trickle down government and i don't think that's what america believes in. >> overnight polls and "the denver post" give round one to romney. as a republican challenger went after the president's record. >> i just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, and economic crisis at the kitchen table, and spent his energy and passion for two years fighting for obama care instead of fighting for job
governor romney, what both are saying about their debate performance. >> when i got on to the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but it couldn't have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy, the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> last night i thought was a great opportunity for the american people...
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. >> governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> president obama is a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater. he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> flashpoint libya, the white house on the defensive after reports of both security and intelligence nurse in benghazi before that terror attack. >> standing up, sitting down. >> which ever one you like. >> there you go. >> do whatever they tell us. >> the white house line is you heard the president say, osama bin laden is dead, al qaeda is done, everything is fine in the middle east. this, obviously, contradicts -- ther series of events contradicts that campaign slogan. so, the fact is, that this was clearly an act of terror committed by people who were pretty well trained jihadists. >> more carnage in afghanistan. the taliban take responsibility for a suicide attack that killed 14 today including three americans. we are deployed in the h
. >> governor romney, he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> president obama is a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater. he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> flashpoint libya, the white house on the defensive after reports of both security and intelligence nurse in benghazi before that terror attack. >> standing up, sitting down....
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the romney campaign is debating how forcefully to engage the libya issue. some are advising it's good to use as a stand-in for overall failures of the president. romney tries to do that in a wall street op-ed writing disturbing developments are sweeping across the greater middle east, these developments are not, as president obama says, mere bumps in the road. they are major issues that put our security at risk. yet amid this upheaval, our country seems to be at the mercy. >> the response was slow, it was confused. it was inconsistent. they first said it was a youtube video and a spontaneous mob. we now know it was a planned terrorist attack. if this was one tragic incident, that would be a tragedy in and of itself. the problem is it's part of bagger picture of the fact that the obama foreign policy is unraveling lit literally before our eyes an on tvs. >> perhaps it's too rich of a debate target for romney to try not to bring up. that said, and by the way, here's another aspect of this. do you do an op-ed in "the wall street journal" 48 hours before the de
the romney campaign is debating how forcefully to engage the libya issue. some are advising it's good to use as a stand-in for overall failures of the president. romney tries to do that in a wall street op-ed writing disturbing developments are sweeping across the greater middle east, these developments are not, as president obama says, mere bumps in the road. they are major issues that put our security at risk. yet amid this upheaval, our country seems to be at the mercy. >> the response...
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this mitt romney needs to debate the old mitt romney as well. on each of these things he's taken the opposite position. there's an extended criticism of the president's take on syria, for instance. yet this is the same mitt romney who also said getting involved with libya would be mission creep. he opposed that in one country and now proposes it somewhere else. the point of consistent for him is israel. to pa are a phrase joe biden every foreign policy sentence has a noun, verb and the word israel in it. when it comes to the actual position saying a president needs to be involved in the middle east, it's drifted, that's true about the peace process. this is the same mitt romney, i believe, who was taped talking about the 47% and said, you know, when it comes to the middle east it's never going to happen. i will leave it to the next guy. >> we have that. let's listen to what mitt romney. almost literally said to kick the can down the road. this is part of the infamous 47% videotape taken surreptitiously in florida this year. let's listen to what
this mitt romney needs to debate the old mitt romney as well. on each of these things he's taken the opposite position. there's an extended criticism of the president's take on syria, for instance. yet this is the same mitt romney who also said getting involved with libya would be mission creep. he opposed that in one country and now proposes it somewhere else. the point of consistent for him is israel. to pa are a phrase joe biden every foreign policy sentence has a noun, verb and the word...
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i don't know what will happen at the debates. >> governor romney is a good debater. i'm just okay. >> the soft performance has gotten so soft it's almost evaporated. but while almost everyone seems to be muting enthusiasm in trying to undersell new jersey governor chris christie is taking a different tack. overselling with gusto. >> come thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change. we have a candidate that is going to do extraordinarily well on wednesday night. when we get to thursday morning george, you're going to be shaking your head saying it's a brand new race with 33 days to go. >> governor christie right in the sense that romney needs to change the dynamic of the race. a new "washington post"/abc news survey find 5s 5% of voters think the president will win the debates compared to 31% who believe rom wil win. romney adviser tell "the new york times" they're aiming to make the president come off as condescending or smug. that characterized obama's notable gaffe during the 2008 primary when hillary clinton was asked what she would say
i don't know what will happen at the debates. >> governor romney is a good debater. i'm just okay. >> the soft performance has gotten so soft it's almost evaporated. but while almost everyone seems to be muting enthusiasm in trying to undersell new jersey governor chris christie is taking a different tack. overselling with gusto. >> come thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change. we have a candidate that is going to do extraordinarily well on...
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i don't think mitt romney will be able to do that effectively during the course of the debate, because in the debate he has to try to appeal to the middle. i think they wanted to get a little something out there for the base, so is that they would have -- so that today they could be, you know, talking about that horrible, you know, barack obama, the black man, in advance of the debate. >> yeah, absolutely, shock, horror, barack obama is a black man. michael, i've read your outstanding piece in which you talk about the fact that the process of fact-checking by voters has actually declined. it's almost a suggestion we've had so many lies through this campaign, and i can think of at least 60 delivered by the romney/ryan camp, that people are just not responding to it anymore. >> you know, the irony is the press is actually much better at calling out these deceptions but the public has not yet shown they are willing to move on these deceptions. they don't -- they for give their own guy for deceiving and they love blaming the other guy for deceiving. there hasn't been any punishment. if you
i don't think mitt romney will be able to do that effectively during the course of the debate, because in the debate he has to try to appeal to the middle. i think they wanted to get a little something out there for the base, so is that they would have -- so that today they could be, you know, talking about that horrible, you know, barack obama, the black man, in advance of the debate. >> yeah, absolutely, shock, horror, barack obama is a black man. michael, i've read your outstanding...
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have a couple more good debates, those all go in the romney column. that was a freudian slip. but at the end of the day, though, the question is committee make up the big difference in ohio? can he make up the big difference in wisconsin? because if he doesn't win ohio, he's got to win wisconsin. the romney people still think he can. after that debate and after barack obama's performance, which was staggeringly bad. >> all right. >> no, i mean it. >> he's right. >> okay. >> i'm hearing this from democrats. and this broke through. we always hear about how americans aren't paying attention. they're looking at reality shows. this broke through, everybody was talking about it, not just how well romney did but how badly the president performed. >> well, just as i think it was premature to declare the race over before, i think it's too soon to say that that performance, as widely watched as it was, is going to move numbers. we have yet to see any numbers move. i think they probably will some. and i think that on the other hand, did governor romney win the d
have a couple more good debates, those all go in the romney column. that was a freudian slip. but at the end of the day, though, the question is committee make up the big difference in ohio? can he make up the big difference in wisconsin? because if he doesn't win ohio, he's got to win wisconsin. the romney people still think he can. after that debate and after barack obama's performance, which was staggeringly bad. >> all right. >> no, i mean it. >> he's right. >> okay....
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gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers, i think we need more of them. i mean, look, don't believe me, speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> well, one thing i have been saying about the campaign is the president needs surrogates out there, he needs confederates, people out there. i love charleston. a lot of people -- rather charlotte because in charlotte you heard an entire political party speaking led by people like deval patrick, the go
gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut...
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nevertheless it's not just one debate. >> it's one debate that is very visible but a different mitt romney shows up. obama just let that happen. mitt romney showed up and he seemed like an energetic guy to fix things. obama showed up and looked tired and listless and he didn't challenge mitt romney on his extreme positionsr on the extreme positions of the republican party including his running mate. >> i always lover yo your insig. we're past the debate but still at that same conversation even with democrats still talking about the debate mystery that happened. >> it was a vacuum. there's nothing else to talk about until the next debate. >> we can talk about the fact women have been deserting -- we have two polls shows women are deserting the president. he had an 18-point lead in the pugh poll. >> it's tied at 47%. i don't want to just isolate you because you're the woman here. >> happy it to talk about it. >> you guys know women, but nevertheless we'll single them out. which is where the debate comes in, and mitt romney being allowed to define himself as a moderate, obama didn't bring up
nevertheless it's not just one debate. >> it's one debate that is very visible but a different mitt romney shows up. obama just let that happen. mitt romney showed up and he seemed like an energetic guy to fix things. obama showed up and looked tired and listless and he didn't challenge mitt romney on his extreme positionsr on the extreme positions of the republican party including his running mate. >> i always lover yo your insig. we're past the debate but still at that same...
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coming off the debate and the pew poll you now can make the case that mitt romney is the guy who is kind of the energy and enthusiasm candidate. i think some polls will come out in places like ohio, virginia, north carolina, florida, hopefully some independent polls in the next few days that i think will get the measure of how much bounce mitt romney got. if those polls suggest him really closing the margin in those states then i think the romney campaign is really on to something. national polling is great and they're happy to have it, but really the problem they have had in the last six weeks, two months, is electoral vote in the swing states. they need those numbers to move. >> and we are going to have our nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist polls in florida, ohio, and virginia coming out first thing thursday morning. mark you're in chicago, which tells me you've probably been doing a lot of reporting. what are they saying at the obama headquarters? >> well, andrea, i came straight here from the headquarters where i sat down with some of the top officials on the campaign and talked
coming off the debate and the pew poll you now can make the case that mitt romney is the guy who is kind of the energy and enthusiasm candidate. i think some polls will come out in places like ohio, virginia, north carolina, florida, hopefully some independent polls in the next few days that i think will get the measure of how much bounce mitt romney got. if those polls suggest him really closing the margin in those states then i think the romney campaign is really on to something. national...
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president obama would you say not prepared for his huge debate with governor romney. this isn't about left, right, good or bad, it's about coming to work to work. his challenger did. he took command. he took charge of that stage. issuing orders to moderator and rival al like. he owned that platform, opened all within the sound of his voice. it was impressive, powerful and must have been just who ahorrib feel the sufficiency of the thing. with romney in the room, there didn't need to be anywhere else. so i'm not here to slam obama for a hard night and that's what it is. my concern is his readiness to skip the politics of this campaign. today that means mastering the 24 hour clock. back and forth of politics, the war room stuff that gets you elected, protects you from being destroyed. did the president know he was allowed to mention his champion of the auto industry, did he know he was allowed to interrupt the pissant conversation about .bs in excuse me, i rescued the auto industry. you were willing to have it go bankrupt. did obama know he could interrupt his rival's e
president obama would you say not prepared for his huge debate with governor romney. this isn't about left, right, good or bad, it's about coming to work to work. his challenger did. he took command. he took charge of that stage. issuing orders to moderator and rival al like. he owned that platform, opened all within the sound of his voice. it was impressive, powerful and must have been just who ahorrib feel the sufficiency of the thing. with romney in the room, there didn't need to be anywhere...
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right now, we're already seeing that mitt romney is using personal stories in the debate of people he met on the campaign trail. and using them on the stump in states like florida, as he is doing this weekend. we are seeing a more energetic and happier mitt romney. and that is a good image for him. and of course, we're seeing ads come out about the debates on both sides and could stop a second look. but it should help, for now. >> so david, the second presidential debate, could it potentially erase all the talk like this. because the president is not going to be caught flat-footed the second time around, i'm guessing? >> i highly doubt it. he is very competitive. and when he is on his game he is very good. so i think what it does is raise expectations to a degree for romney. but also for the president, because all of us are expecting him to come back, come out with guns blazing, i think for romney the key is not that he needs to decisively win as he did in the first debate, but if he can hold his own and look as sharp as he did, then even with a good, strong president obama performanc
right now, we're already seeing that mitt romney is using personal stories in the debate of people he met on the campaign trail. and using them on the stump in states like florida, as he is doing this weekend. we are seeing a more energetic and happier mitt romney. and that is a good image for him. and of course, we're seeing ads come out about the debates on both sides and could stop a second look. but it should help, for now. >> so david, the second presidential debate, could it...
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is mitt romney going to work this into the debate? >> you saw mitt romney's op-ed in the "wall street journal" monday. a three levelled argument about economic growth, reasserting american values and doing something different than the obama administration has done on foreign policy as it relates to the arab spring. i think if the governor wants to, he can use this format, which is open ended on the economy, talk about the economy, but also about american strength and how that can or will be affected in the future economically. so i wouldn't be surprised at all if what you saw in that op-ed that governor romney wrote for the "wall street journal" doesn't become part of a response to a larnler conversation about not just economics in america, but the economic projection, the values projection and foreign policy pro jex. >> let me ask you about the format. debate formats have been krit krzyzewskied. it's going to be six segments. the moderator has some ability to let it go and bring the conversation more broadly. breathe more than we've
is mitt romney going to work this into the debate? >> you saw mitt romney's op-ed in the "wall street journal" monday. a three levelled argument about economic growth, reasserting american values and doing something different than the obama administration has done on foreign policy as it relates to the arab spring. i think if the governor wants to, he can use this format, which is open ended on the economy, talk about the economy, but also about american strength and how that...
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one of the most central things i think to come out of the debate was debate over mitt romney's proposal for tax policy, which is a 20% rate cut across the board, but he also says there's these other conditions, right, that it will be revenue neutral and that he's not going to lower taxes on people in the high income. and the question is can you get all three of those principles to work together? joe, you were talking about the broad principles you want out of a tax system, raising revenue, right? we want to raise enough revenue to fund the government, which i don't think we're doing. we have taxes that are a percentage of gdp at a 50 or 60 year low. you want fairness. and you want to promote growth. you were speaking about warren buffet before i cut you off to go to break. >> warren buffet has edicts that are wrong for somebody like him to pay a lower tax rate than a secretary. you tax -- i would feel a lot more comfortable if romney came out and said i agree with that principle. the buffet principle is correct. it's not just a question of fairness, it's a question of efficiency and gro
one of the most central things i think to come out of the debate was debate over mitt romney's proposal for tax policy, which is a 20% rate cut across the board, but he also says there's these other conditions, right, that it will be revenue neutral and that he's not going to lower taxes on people in the high income. and the question is can you get all three of those principles to work together? joe, you were talking about the broad principles you want out of a tax system, raising revenue,...
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all this after romney said in his first debate, he would de-fund pbs. what heart attack should play president obama in a movie about his life. the first lady has two actors on her short list, ali star, will smith, and denzel washington. you knew he'd be ton there. the very talented smith says he definitely has the ears for it. >>> jetblue is offering a flight plan to folks who might not be happy about the outcome of the election. the airline says they will fly anyone upset over their candidate's loss out of the country, temporarily, though. it's all part of a contest on jetblue's website that lets voters pick a candidate and if they lose, they will be entered to win one of a thousand trips to a tropical destination. >>> call it a chipotle off the old photo block. mitt romney posing for one unforgettable picture after stopping for a bite to eat at the popular food chain on tuesday. check out the guy on the right. that is one bug-eyed fans. and rapper nas is taking part, saying casting a ballot is the ultimate form of empowerment. >> can go to the polls i
all this after romney said in his first debate, he would de-fund pbs. what heart attack should play president obama in a movie about his life. the first lady has two actors on her short list, ali star, will smith, and denzel washington. you knew he'd be ton there. the very talented smith says he definitely has the ears for it. >>> jetblue is offering a flight plan to folks who might not be happy about the outcome of the election. the airline says they will fly anyone upset over their...
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how does mitt romney's jump, as you've seen it so far, stack up with prior presidential debates? >> well, certainly, his debate performance itself is historic! you know, we've said to americans, who did better? it was a 52-point margin. and this is thursday and friday, and by then, i think people who have been watching your station and others have kind of learned that romney did better, but nevertheless, that's a huge gap, as you see. clinton also did well in '92 against bush the elder, but not as well. and barack obama himself did good back in '08, but again, not as well. but as we've been talking about, the real impact of the debates that people are interested in is, does it change the probability that one candidate will win or not? and romney picked up short term, but long term doesn't look as much, but we'll continue to monitor it. >> there is also the question of the vice presidential debate. have vice presidential debates ever moved the numbers in any significant way, frank? >> interesting question. can't go back to the 1800s. we don't see it. you know, we don't poll as muc
how does mitt romney's jump, as you've seen it so far, stack up with prior presidential debates? >> well, certainly, his debate performance itself is historic! you know, we've said to americans, who did better? it was a 52-point margin. and this is thursday and friday, and by then, i think people who have been watching your station and others have kind of learned that romney did better, but nevertheless, that's a huge gap, as you see. clinton also did well in '92 against bush the elder,...
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so much for that debate and so much for romney attacking big bird. thank you for joining me. >> the ed show is up next. >>> the day after. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. let me start tonight with two big questions, "hardball" questions if you will. one, why? why did what happened last night happen? why did a president who has proven himself as a policy expert and world class politician let the other guy take charge? because if he can't answer that question, he may be doomed to defeat in the remaining two debates. second big question, can a victory over the facts of last night's debate, what was true and what was not, turn the tables now? can barack obama win by getting out the word he didn't get out last night? and both are big questions tonight that might just decide this presidential election. i'm joined by governor ed rendell and ron reagan, both msnbc analysts. this is a tough blog by a guy who has been very strong for obama over the years. andrew sullivan of the daily beast. he wrote this last
so much for that debate and so much for romney attacking big bird. thank you for joining me. >> the ed show is up next. >>> the day after. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. let me start tonight with two big questions, "hardball" questions if you will. one, why? why did what happened last night happen? why did a president who has proven himself as a policy expert and world class politician let the other...
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the president needs to go in there and not allow governor romney to set the debate or control the debate or use facts that aren't real. he needs to sit there and look governor romney in the eye and say listen. you sit there and tell the american people they're not better off. tell the 5 million people that have jobs today that they're not better off. tell the 37 million people who have health care and are going to have health care that they're not better off. tell the soldiers that are coming back from iraq, back from afghanistan that they're not better off. the president needs to do a full throated defense of his presidency and not allow governor romney to define his presidency for him. this helps significantly. >> and, chris, quickly do we hear mitt romney continue to say that president obama doesn't understand the economy? does this put him in a box? >> well, to some extent but governor romney is going to use his statistics to paint his picture and we saw that. and i think this is one of the things that i would, you know, strongly recommend to the obama campaign. romney was a blizzard
the president needs to go in there and not allow governor romney to set the debate or control the debate or use facts that aren't real. he needs to sit there and look governor romney in the eye and say listen. you sit there and tell the american people they're not better off. tell the 5 million people that have jobs today that they're not better off. tell the 37 million people who have health care and are going to have health care that they're not better off. tell the soldiers that are coming...
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it is teed up to be a debate about big ideas. is mitt romney going to deliver? >> i am sure that part of the reason this video is out there, just the day before, is to give romney the opportunity to, perhaps, reference it when you talk about the role of government, when you talk about the economy, he's got some phrases he likes to use about more people being on welfare and all of that, so i would imagine we'll hear some of that. i actually disagree with something mark said. i think this was very much a play for the base. even our nbc news poll, 23% of people said, that 47% comment made them like mitt romney better. so there are people out there who agree with those comments. >> aren't they locked up already? that's a question -- >> no. because remember we've also seen reuters has had the polling and a lot of polling that show some low-income southern whites are thinking he's too richy rich. what it shows is he's still in trouble with his own base and now, you know, obviously the way the white house is trying to set this up, the president is going to talk about v
it is teed up to be a debate about big ideas. is mitt romney going to deliver? >> i am sure that part of the reason this video is out there, just the day before, is to give romney the opportunity to, perhaps, reference it when you talk about the role of government, when you talk about the economy, he's got some phrases he likes to use about more people being on welfare and all of that, so i would imagine we'll hear some of that. i actually disagree with something mark said. i think this...
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susan, first of all, how much does this employment number blunt mitt romney's debate momentum? and do you think the white house is going phew, relieved at this? >> if not popping champagne bottles. two-ways in which this number was so useful to the white house yesterday. it got the unemployment rate below 8% which has been kind of a line of demarkation. the romney folks have made a big deal about it being above 8% for so many months all through president obama's tenure. the other thing is the timing. i mean, all the reviews from the debate has been so negative for president obama. and this just automatically changed the subject. at 8:30 yesterday morning we stopped talk thing about the debates and started talking about improvement in the jobless numbers >> yes. david with respect to the conspiracy theorists out there, mitt romney is not latched onto all threat rick. but could all this talk, this talk, could it damage him in the long run? i mean, in some ways all it does is just highlight the fact we're talking below 8%. >> absolutely, alex. i think that the romney campaign didn
susan, first of all, how much does this employment number blunt mitt romney's debate momentum? and do you think the white house is going phew, relieved at this? >> if not popping champagne bottles. two-ways in which this number was so useful to the white house yesterday. it got the unemployment rate below 8% which has been kind of a line of demarkation. the romney folks have made a big deal about it being above 8% for so many months all through president obama's tenure. the other thing is...
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romney tried to dance away from his own record in the debate. he danced around on taxes, he danced around on medicaid. he even danced around on his own health insurance plan. >> the other night he said he'd repeal obama care as soon as he took office and then he backtracked and said, no, wait. at least i'll make sure to cover folks with pre-existing conditions. and then i've explained, well, actually, your plan doesn't do that. and then his campaign had to come out and say, actually, that's not true. our plan wouldn't do that. so governor romney was fact checked by his own campaign. that's right. that's right. >> romney got fact checked by his own campaign. it's pretty clear now that romney has backed himself into a corner and president obama tinds to keep him there. joining me now, dana milbank and erin mcpike. thanks for coming on the show. >> reverend. >> thank you. >> dana, did mitt romney leave himself open to some attacks? >> well, just a little bit, ref renld. i think if he continues on this trajectory, by the last debate, he's going to b
romney tried to dance away from his own record in the debate. he danced around on taxes, he danced around on medicaid. he even danced around on his own health insurance plan. >> the other night he said he'd repeal obama care as soon as he took office and then he backtracked and said, no, wait. at least i'll make sure to cover folks with pre-existing conditions. and then i've explained, well, actually, your plan doesn't do that. and then his campaign had to come out and say, actually,...
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that's smarter power today. >>> the first debate in the books, president obama and mitt romney are back on the campaign trail today. the president left colorado today and travelled to wisconsin. then on to virginia and ohio for mr. romney. mitt romney's campaigns in virginia and then florida. monday he's expected, as he said, to start filling in the policy details with the first of several speeches starting with foreign policy. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] if you had a dollar for every dollar car insurance companies say they'll save you by switching, you'd have like, a ton of dollars. but how are they saving you those dollars? a lot of companies might answer "um" or, "no comment." then there's esurance. born online, raised by technology, and majors in efficiency. so whatever they save, you save. hassle, time, paperwork, hair-tearing-out, and yes, especially dollars. esurance. insurance for the modern world. click or call. >>> welcome back to "hardball." last night was a tough night for the president, of course, but there's another story to be told about mitt romney's performa
that's smarter power today. >>> the first debate in the books, president obama and mitt romney are back on the campaign trail today. the president left colorado today and travelled to wisconsin. then on to virginia and ohio for mr. romney. mitt romney's campaigns in virginia and then florida. monday he's expected, as he said, to start filling in the policy details with the first of several speeches starting with foreign policy. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] if you had a...
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which mitt romney is the one that shows up to the next debate? which is the one that shows up the day after the election? and that's where the president has to take this conversation. is it the mitt romney on foreign policy who said when iran captured that drone it was a reason to go to war? or is it the much more moderated guy who said let's just carry on doing what we're doing. iran could hardly have any type of sanctions. the economy is in freefall right now. what can you get your arms around with this candidate? makes him a very difficult debate opponent. but in that moment, in that debate when he's pivoting and flip-flopping and all over the place, you've got to confront him, otherwise you are not stepping up -- >> the problem is, let's just say with barack obama isn't the problem he's not a great debater and he's not nimble on his feet. because you are a lot of other people could stand across the stage from mitt romney and say that. >> it's easy to do it from the sidelines. >> the president is not a good debater. >> there was a moment, simi
which mitt romney is the one that shows up to the next debate? which is the one that shows up the day after the election? and that's where the president has to take this conversation. is it the mitt romney on foreign policy who said when iran captured that drone it was a reason to go to war? or is it the much more moderated guy who said let's just carry on doing what we're doing. iran could hardly have any type of sanctions. the economy is in freefall right now. what can you get your arms...
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he can keep trying to shift the debate toward those romney weaknesses. in particular, the sense he's out of touch with the middle class. you'll hear the number 47 as often as obama can get it into the debate. >> you think he can come off as aloof. when you look at the polls, the one thing he's consistently exceeded mitt romney at is likability. >> right. yet he does have -- it's partly it's proffesorial. when he looks like john kennedy he's on an upslope. he's not so good when he thinks he is way ahead and konts respect an opponent. i have a hunch he is hearing that from his folks in that room in nevada saying, you can't make a mistake like that. >> part of it is who you compare him to. he's aloof compared to bill clinton. bill clinton has a touch. >> everyone is aloof compared to bill clinton. >> exactly. >> let's talk about mitt romney. strengths, weakness. >> mitt romney's strength is that he is, comes across as competent, as a capable human being. as somebody who projects an air of authority, especially when he talks about the economy. that is the pr
he can keep trying to shift the debate toward those romney weaknesses. in particular, the sense he's out of touch with the middle class. you'll hear the number 47 as often as obama can get it into the debate. >> you think he can come off as aloof. when you look at the polls, the one thing he's consistently exceeded mitt romney at is likability. >> right. yet he does have -- it's partly it's proffesorial. when he looks like john kennedy he's on an upslope. he's not so good when he...
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and i also think that mitt romney has come off a series of really easy debates. we have to remember, mitt romney triumphed in a republican presidential field that was the worst republican presidential field in the history of the republican party. those are the debates he won. he was the one on the stage who did not look outright insane, compared to the rest of them. that isn't going to work for him tonight. he's going against the best debater mitt romney has ever been up against in his life. this is going to be, i think, a really great debate. >> preparing for this, i went back and looked at some of the 1994 debates between romney and kennedy, looking at some of that to see, you know, how does he deal with a democratic opponent? we've seen him debate a lot of republicans, but not a lot of democrats. and if it's half as fun as it was between him and ted kennedy, we are in for a very, very fun night ahead. lawrence, thank you for that, particularly on the rules. i think that was a really important point. we'll talk with you again soon. we are going to be getting mo
and i also think that mitt romney has come off a series of really easy debates. we have to remember, mitt romney triumphed in a republican presidential field that was the worst republican presidential field in the history of the republican party. those are the debates he won. he was the one on the stage who did not look outright insane, compared to the rest of them. that isn't going to work for him tonight. he's going against the best debater mitt romney has ever been up against in his life....
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i also think mitt romney will bring this up in the debate. something that was spoken yesterday in charlotte, north carolina, by our dear friend joe biden. roll it. >> the romney/ryan tax plan will raise taxes on middle-class families with a child, one or more children, by an additional $2,000 a year. how -- all kidding aside, with all the boos, look, guys, this is deadly earnest, man. this is deadly earnest! how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years, how in lord's name can they justify? >> god bless him. >> mark mckinnon -- i love him. mike, we love him. we love him! has anybody not told him, they've been in the white house for the past four years? buried? the middle class has been buried over the past four years. >> joe, i am being deadly earnest now, man. deadly earnest. okay? on how anybody -- how anybody can attempt to bury the vice president is beyond me. >> i'm not trying to bury him. i got a good laugh out of it. mark mckinnon, you think we may hear the middle cl
i also think mitt romney will bring this up in the debate. something that was spoken yesterday in charlotte, north carolina, by our dear friend joe biden. roll it. >> the romney/ryan tax plan will raise taxes on middle-class families with a child, one or more children, by an additional $2,000 a year. how -- all kidding aside, with all the boos, look, guys, this is deadly earnest, man. this is deadly earnest! how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class...
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poll showing that president obama is expected to win the debate by a51% and mitt romney by 29%. it seems like president obama is more highly anticipated as the winner of the debate. do these sort of expectations setting games actually work for voters? >> i don't think they matter too much for the voters. it's a lot of fun for us to talk about. you know, as the comedy that you were just playing before suggested, if either one of these guys gets a complete sentence out, it should be a surprise to all of us. look, i think that it -- it matters a little bit on the margins, working the reporters who then report to the public. by and large i think the public is pretty good at making its own judgments. i don't think people walk in going, well, my expectations is about a 4, so if he gets a 6, i'll vote for him. if he gets a 5, no way. i don't think it works that way for most voters. >> i saw an interesting tweet come across the twitter this morning from carole simpson. she said debates are about style and not substance, despite what campaigns say. does he look and sound good is he perso
poll showing that president obama is expected to win the debate by a51% and mitt romney by 29%. it seems like president obama is more highly anticipated as the winner of the debate. do these sort of expectations setting games actually work for voters? >> i don't think they matter too much for the voters. it's a lot of fun for us to talk about. you know, as the comedy that you were just playing before suggested, if either one of these guys gets a complete sentence out, it should be a...